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@RegudonNA.4630 said:Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game.

Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.

It does too much and is flying under the radar.

While I don't think the build is problemativ (yet), I agree it has a strong nieche: Which is fighting power specs. As long as there are condi builds coutnering it, it should be fine. But if conditions get nerfed, this will become an issue.

Suggestion: Reduce the weakness duration if you nerf conditions with the next patch (looking at you, condi rev). Alternatively bring an internal CD, but I don't like those.

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@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

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@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

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@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

Im guessing it was fixed by just making the cancelled channel not refund cooldown?

Can't test currently, but that's what the patch notes say, yepp.

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@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

Well, lets ignore the Vapourform question for a bit, but as for Distortion, hey you wont find me shedding a tear if it gets the same treatment, buuut even then it at least requires clones to get a long duration. Still, removing it would be perfectly reasonable as far as Im concerned.

I agree!

Back to topic: Thanks for fixing!

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@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

I dont think you can stomp in Vaporform? I mean, Im not sure. I havent seen anyone use that skill in ages. Anyway, yeah the channeled thing is weird. Im not sure why they did that. The lockout however makes sense. Full invuln while being able to fight is just stupid.

You used to be able to do that, but I admit, I haven't used vapour form much in ages either.^^

Oh, and as somebody mentioned: Yes, attacking during invulnerability is awful. They should check distortion next to bring it in line! Balance is obviously not the point here.

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@Megametzler.5729 said:

@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even

CC

them.

That part I can agree with. Though, Id say the main change is to not be able to invuln while youre CCd. Which is probably not neccessary either?

There are again two sides of this coin:a) Okay, as long as Elixir S gets the same treatment (and, potentially, vapour form).b) It is, however, not necessary in my view, because neither skill has been opressive. There are far more important concerns.

We simply don't know why they changed this. And leave other things untouched. And then they add such a horrible bug/misprogramming. Has to be changed immediately. Even though I am an ele main using focus with many builds, I don't want to play before this is changed.

@UNOwen.7132 said:(...) So the problem becomes that even if, lets say, the Weaver didnt overperform at all, you would still have a build that can attack and kill you for 3 seconds while you are completely unable to fight back. You cant hit them for damage, you cant apply condis. Hell, you cant even CC them.

Referring this to stomping/rezzing (the only thing that got change by becoming a channel, apart from the stowability): You can rezz someone more quickly than these 3s duration, even without rezz traits. There are several 2on2 comps out there that just keep rezzing each other, mainly dual necros. There are few ways to deal with them, one being cleave + safe stomp.

So: I would be okay with this change (as long as Elixir S got the same treatment), if other classes did not have such an easy time rezzing and corrupting anytime they wanted. Until then, this feels random and like a completely unnecessary nerf to ele.

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@Megametzler.5729 said:Why was it changed at all? Because the stomps and rezzes were OP? Meanwhile core necros play unkillable rezz bots in pairs?

Yes, fix it fast! Or revert the whole horrible change! Not being able to cast is fine and fair, but why not for stomps and rezzes?

This change is in one big way a buff from the previous version in that you can cancel it to go back on the offensive rather than having to wait for it to expire to do anything else. Channeled blocks like shield stance get deliberately canceled all the time once they have neutralized the attack they are needed for then straight back to attack which can now be done with obsi flesh. Still way weaker than the original version of the skill obviously and obviously not working as intended with short cd on canceling it.

There is a difference: Until now, you were not supposed to stop the invulnerability. Because you could not use the skill on point withour risking a decap (except one single tick or so?), so it used to be a risky choice for sidenoders. Just like Vapor Form or Elixir S. I admit, Renewed Focus was always different here, but that had its focus on the renewing of the Tome skills. I

It opened a lot of necessary considerations somewhere else. And I do not think it is as powerful as all these rezz skills out there on far bunkier builds than tempest. Tempest has huge problems with rezzes, because most buuilds lack stability or have to sacrifice lots of boons.

I don't think anyone saw this as a problem, so I hope, Elixir S will be brought in line too. Because it just seems like a random equalisation of a skill without any real balancing issues.

Why was it changed at all? Because the stomps and rezzes were OP? Meanwhile core necros play unkillable rezz bots in pairs?

Yes, fix it fast! Or revert the whole horrible change! Not being able to cast is fine and fair, but why not for stomps and rezzes?

Happened to me on my yolo build the other day. Just relogg and it's fine.

Still dumb though.

@Bazsi.2734 said:

@"LolLookAtMyAP.8394" said:Math? Based on what?

It's math based on math. The only truely objective science. I can prove it using math. Arguing is futile.

Unfortunately, math cannot serve to prove itself. A horrible problem, which, as far as I know, still stands in the mathematical society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorems

I just want Air 3 to be just a tiny little bit more like mesmer GS 5. I literally stand insitde my enemies and it still misses. :lol:

Ele is kinda bad in 2on2 indeed, but on conquest it is okay. Staff would need reworks to be viable in PVP, but that might make the weapon op in other modes... I don't know I like the style of staff, but I am not seeing it happening somehow. :disappointed:

€: Profession forums need to be biased. :smile:

inb4 "Ranger has ONE ability to do damage, you need to l2p, git gud and JuSt DoDgE!!!11"

Still not the worst current offender though, because the defense is kind of low. Hope the others get emergency nerfed next week though.

I am sometimes playing an FA tempest with warhorn. Catch someone in air WH4 + 5 and overload and watch anything melt. The blind in earth is nice too.

It is definitely a meme though, because for high level play, the skills are way too slow - cast-time-wise and damage-wise. But it can be fun in certain situations.

Not saying it is OP, but it has very unfun side effects. My main problem is with long duration stealth, because of 2 reasons:

1. You simply cannot anticipate the burst. You don't see Black Powder, you don't hear it and if you do, the thief might pop out anywhere else on the map. Same goes for some mesmer builds.

2. When playing a side noder, whenever a thief stealthes on mid - and you cant interrupt them stealthing up - you need to run to sides. Covering the whole distance with stealth forces side noders who cannot really help on mid spend a long time just running.

Possible solution: Reduce speed in stealth. They can still use it defensively or for short-term bursts in combination with teleports, still dodge. But not cover half the map stealthed. By how much? Only after 3s? I'd be open for suggestions.

I'd also be open for some compensation. Get aegis when getting stealth for 1s? Getting superspeed for a small time before the decrease?

So I had a look into this. I compared the normal water weaver build, not fire, useless rune. PVP setting.

Base amulet is sage. Compared to this: mender and celestial.

Mender gets about 13% power damage, looses 55% condi damage. 2.2% less health, but 31% more healing.

Celestial gets 1.3% power damage, looses 31% condi damage. 7.5% less health and 6.2% less healing. You win 46% toughness though, which results in about 24% more armor - about the same in power damage reduction.

You decide what you want to use.

@Ragnar.4257 said:I mean.... first fight is easy to count 8v5. Is that the format the kids are doing these days? Is this a meme? Memes are funny.

I mean, this is WvW...

@Serenity.6304 said:I might be too optimisticbut we don’t have official numbers about the pvp populationI really like to join ranked with friends, figuring out strategies, everyone’s roles etc.

That... sounds like something you could do in unranked too?

On-demand tournaments would solve this issue too of course, much better even. Where you can measure yourselves with other full teams.

@AliamRationem.5172 said:

@solemn.9608 said:In my experience, Fire Sw/D cele (thief rune to bring precision up to 40%) weaver is your best bet in terms of pretty much everything right now. Tanky, hybrid power/condi damage, easy access to 25 might, damage modifiers, ridiculous amount of condi cleanse (water four = 3, water five = 2, water dodge = 1, attune to fire = 1, cleansing sigil = 1) .... 8 condi cleanses that are relatively easy to access/low cooldown.

I will have to try cele out, but using dagger offhand is pretty rough, isn't it? I mean, it does have that awesome dagger air 4 skill, but focus has that all-important invuln plus plenty of much-needed projectile hate and, with the fire build, being able to cast/detonate fire aura on fire 5 is key for condi cleanse, no?

Also, cele has way less damage and healing potential. It can add some toughness, which can be helpful in certain situations, but usually not worth it. Speaking from my own experience here.

And you are absolutely right about the fire aura thing. It is one of the reasons fire weaver is so dominant currently and absolutely depends on focus offhand. The constant aura cleansing is huge, though core necro will remain a tough one if he manages to keep corrupting stability.

@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:

@"crepuscular.9047" said:seriously... waited 6+ minutes and you give us this kind of matchup? a group of silvers/golds vs plats/legends

if there isnt enough plats and legend, change it to something like a 2v2 or 3v3 king of the hill style map like GW1's HoH where the top tier pvpers can duke it out among themselves over a single point

even your own data says that the top tier players are capable of dishing out 10x the damage compared to the average players

So looking up this match, it looks like the matchmaker did a pretty good job in this case!

No duo queues.

Winning Team

Elementalist 1229Thief 1365Warrior 1298Ranger 1297Ranger 1411Avg 1320

Losing Team

Elementalist 1402Elementalist 1276Thief 1214Guardian 1351Ranger 1309Avg 1310.4

Keep in mind that final score of a match isn't always indicative of good or bad matchmaking. There are a lot of factors that affect it outside of skill rating. Your team could have given up after the losing the first team fight. Sometimes teams just don't play up to their skill level. The opposing team could have been playing above their normal skill level.

I'm not saying our matchmaking is perfect by any means, but it generally does a pretty decent job of making sure both teams are balanced.

This is the kind of communication I am hoping for. Of course you can't answer everything, but here and there some actual facts might really help. We know you have plenty of work to do, but... still, highly appreciated (and hoping for more :wink:).

Thanks! :smile:

@shadowpass.4236 said:Why can't you just ignore it?

Does it really matter that much to you that some random people online are talking trash?

You can leave team chat on but be a mature person and not give 2 kitten about what people think. You don't have to respond either. Just brush it off, do your best. It's really no big deal man.

I mean if you really wanted to, you could have an ego and challenge them to a 1v1 after the match but why go through all that effort... Just do your thing and keep playing in the match instead of AFK typing like a lot of the rest of those guys. Keep your chin up ^^

Wow. Victimblaming at its finest. There is another famous sort of unethic behaviour, where this is done frequently. Not going to name it because of forum rules though, but your response matches that other case in many ways. I find this reaction absolutely horrible.

@OP: I am very sorry you got harassed. While it should indeed be punished or at least discouraged - none of this is really done by Anet, though many suggestions have been proposed -, unfortunately the only way to deal with it currently is: 1) disable map chat, 2) quickly put people on /ignore or 3) grow a thicker skin. Just don't forget to also remember the positive examples and try to be one yourself! :smile:

Both. But focusing on classes that are too strong, so (basically) nerfs only.

Something is too strong at the top? Nerf it. It is unfair when looking at the leaderboard/mATs.

Something is too strong for average players? Nerf it. Those are mostly unkillable bunkers or one-shot machines, which make the game less fun to play.

Only a sith deals in absolutes!

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@"bravan.3876" said:

3. Ele

   : I think the evade or the stunbreak on Twist of Fate needs to go, add a combofinisher for heals instead or whatever. Stunbreak dodges are gamebreaking we had this discussion with EM on Mesmer, it is the same for Weaver and Rev.

Illusory Ambush is not a stunbreak.

I guess he means https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Sand_Through_Glass

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@Gundam Style.8495 said:Well, look at this prediction. Guess who was right. (me)

I can actually agree that escapist fortitude is kind of op. I honestly don’t think pw in general is a problem, but it can damage evade and cc and with this trait it also sustains. I wouldn’t really want the trait to be nerfed as it would hurt some other builds, if I would suggest a change it would just be take away 1 role of pw. Not because it’s busted but for some roles totally unfun to see in a match

Role? You mean duelist/+1/decapper?

I am no expert thief, so I'd leave suggestions to you guys. I also don't find it too annoying, since it doesn't excell in its roles, but I agree, it might simply be too flexible. Escapist's Fortitude might be strong, but I'd be fine if thief could spec for sustain condi-wise. As long as they would have less access to disengage or something else. Dunno.

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@Gundam Style.8495 said:Well, look at this prediction. Guess who was right. (me)

Condi damage is actually a little more effective against perma dodge builds. I wouldn’t say it can stalemate at all, any thief build can just avoid attackers and dodge to try and keep node on their side or from getting capped for a bit but as a 1v1er pw dash is no where close to better side noders in this meta like prot holo , weaver, guardians etc. only one it might beat is condi mirage or dps holosmith and it’s still a maybe.Though there are other thief builds that can stall forever in a 1v1 like bunker staff, though it’s weak to plusses now and a few more damage oriented builds that’ll actually win these 1v1s from burst, which maybe pw dash can do sometimes.In the end thief rn is mostly being played as a brawler so the fact it can handle 1v1s for a tiny bit is not surprising, but actual side node builds are usually duelist so thief won’t be even close to the top as a side noder

I am not saying thief is the greatest side noder. A weaver should never actually lose to a thief in a duel scenario (assuming equal skill level).

But here I am referring to Escapist's Fortitude. It gives S/P thief a great too versus condi weaver, because of few cover conditions. This makes dodges rather good, because few weaver skills are stowable.