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manishsharan on Jan 14, 2015 | parent | context | favorite | on: Goats fighting America's plant invasion


I have always wondered why western nations do not consume goat meat. One of my christian friends mentioned is that ii is because of hooves and devil symbolism; is there any merit to this argument ? I understand Hindus don't eat beef because of religious reasons and muslims don't eat pork also because of religious reasons. This is a comparison of nutritional value of goat vs. beef vs pork. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=goat+meat+vs.+beef+vs.+... . Bon Apetit!

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hkarthik on Jan 14, 2015 | next [–]


At this point in time, the cultural issues around eating goat meat in the west are probably less of a factor and it has more to do with logistics and regulation.

The supply chains around industrial factory farming for poultry, beef, and pork are very mature. They've also engaged in regulatory capture for nearly half a century. Many laws and regulations exist which would lock out new sources of meat to the average American consumer.

Goat milk and cheese, are becoming more popular, however. So there is a ready supply of livestock. So things could easily change.

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ndespres on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


I believe it to be cultural and economical. Beef, pork, and chicken are well-established as easy to mass-produce on a large scale, with outlets for all the "extra bits" (hot dogs, Chicken McNuggets, etc) which would cut into the producer's bottom line and make a cut of goat meat seem more expensive than the equivalent pork chop.

Secondly, these aren't necessarily "acceptable" meats. Much like rabbits, which I raise for meat occasionally, eyebrows get raised and judgements get passed. Perhaps producers and consumers both find it easiest to stick with what's deemed acceptable and common, easy to hom*ogenize and turn into processed food.

Among those who know better.. goat, yum.

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dalke on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


But they do consume goat. It's part of Latin American cuisine, and '"Lamb" (or goat on the islands) is the traditional Easter meat served throughout Greece' ( http://www.amb-grece.fr/grece/greek_orthodox_easter.htm ).

Why don't Americans eat much goat? According to http://modernfarmer.com/2013/09/goat-left-behind/ :

> “It’s not a flavor issue; it’s the word more than anything else,” he says. Perhaps calling it “Caribbean lamb” would increase sales.

> Fairbanks guesses most folks simply have no experience with eating goat – or perhaps have had an unpleasant one eating curry cooked with older goat, which might have a gamey taste or tough texture.

> Another hurdle for goat meat: Consumers don’t see it on menus.

It's hard to say it's a Christian thing.

Note that this isn't a new thing either. "Consumer Attitudes and Handling Practices of Retailers for Lamb, Mutton and Goat", Feb. 1959 has several things to say about it, mostly concluding it's a lack of experience. It has more to say about lamb/mutton than sheep.

One of the curious observations is that military family consumption was very low compared to the average American family. Quoting from http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=txa.tarb087001;view=1u... :

> Military officials attribute the dislike of military personnel for lamb to the fact that many troops spent several months or years in England and other heavy lamb and mutton-eating countries during World War II. The reasoning is that they were given so much lamb and mutton that many of them developed a psychological dislike for it.

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brational on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


That religious thing is a rarity. People don't eat goat because its not really available. I, american, find it delicious but have only ever had it in indian restaurants.

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rhino369 on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


It is for cultural and geographic reasons. Goats work really well in arid regions because they survive on brush. But cows and sheep are much more productive in grass areas.

So Northern europeans didn't really heavily use domesticated goats. The Spanish and Portuguese brought them to Latin America. But American culture developed in areas settled by English and fueled by Northern European immigration.

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scentoni on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


Lamb and mutton are traditional staples in Europe, as well as goat and kid to a lesser degree. In the US, there was plentiful land for grazing cattle, and beef was considered more prestigious than mutton in England, so that's what they settlers focused on. At this point the flavor of lamb [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexanoic_acid etc.] is considered unpalatable by many in the US and most recipes are designed to minimize gaminess. Supermarkets like Safeway usually have no goat meat but small amounts of lamb. I think that has more to do with it than any demonic symbolism.

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tribaal on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


Being a European who moved to Tanzania, I couldn't agree more!

Here it's often prepared simply with spices over a grill, and it's delicious. I'm going to miss this when I go back to Europe.

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jtreminio on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


Monterrey, Mexico is famous for cabritos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabrito

There's quite a number of high-end restaurants that specialize in this delicious meat.

I would say hispanics as a whole are much more open about eating goat or sheep. Americans seem to prefer cow, and lean pork.

Or maybe it's the idea that a rack of delicious lamb chops is more expensive that the equivalent beef steak?

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thesadman on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


Goats are especially vulnerable to hoof rot / foot scald and foot abscesses when they're spending lots of time on soils / ground that are wet or moist in places like Wales which is why they're heavily medicated. Climates like India with significant dry/arid periods are probably the climates that goats evolved in.

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forkandwait on Jan 14, 2015 | prev | next [–]


Once there is a Portlandia episode where they eat goat it will be all over the place...

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digi_owl on Jan 14, 2015 | prev [–]


I suspect it is a matter of taste.

As for the pork thing, it is not just muslims. Strictly speaking christians should not touch it either as it is part of the old testament.

My personal take on this is that back then someone observed that people that ate pork often ended up sick and died.

While we now know that is is because of an illness passed from pig to human, back then it may well have been interpreted as divine punishment.

But then those days religion and law was one and the same, and so the declaration of pork as unclean may well be seen as a health and safety regulation.

Supposedly you can find passages from nearby cultures that line up very well with the old testament, with one crucial difference. While other cultures makes violations an offense against society, the bible makes them an offense against god. Meaning that what others deemed a social or secular matter, suddenly became religious.

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sp332 on Jan 14, 2015 | parent [–]


Christians had those foods explicitly declared "clean" by God, at the same time that he declared Gentiles clean. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010&versi...

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digi_owl on Jan 15, 2015 | root | parent [–]


Guess it shows i am no theologian...

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